When I first started to learn how to program, real programmers could write assem

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When I first started to learn how to program, real programmers could write assembly in their sleep. Any serious schooling in computer science would include a hefty bit of training and practice in programming using assembly. That has since changed, to the point where I see Computer Science degrees with assembly, if included at all, is relegated to one assignment, and one chapter, for a total of two weeks' work out of 4 years' schooling.

C/C++ programming seems to have followed a similar path. I'm no longer surprised to interview university graduates who have not spent more than two weeks programming in C++, and have only read of C in a book somewhere. While the most serious CS degrees still seem to include significant time learning and using one or both of the languages, the trend is clearly towards less enforced C/C++ in school.

It's clearly possible to make a career producing good work without ever reading or writing a single line of C or C++ code.

Given all of that, is learning the two languages worth the effort? Are they at all required to excel? (beyond the obvious, non-language specific advice, such as "a good selection of languages is probably important for a comprehensive education", and "it's probably a good idea to keep trying out and learning new languages throughout a programmers' career, just to stretch the gray cells")

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Joel Spolsky (yeah, that Joel) argued a while back that real tough programmers know how to use harder languages (like C, C++ and Lisp) and their constructs (like pointers and functional features), and that higher-level languages were usually not 'hard' enough to demonstrate your competency.

I can understand his point that people knowing C and C++ and that are actually good at it know a lot more about what goes on under the hood than people who, say, program in Ruby (and only in Ruby). I'd say it goes like this: if you know a "hard" language, it's probably a good proof that you're able to program while respecting severe constraints or that you master complex ways of thinking. If you're good at a high level language, you might as well be able to program while respecting severe constraints, but there's no proof of it.

I don't think learning C or C++ will damage your brain (some people seem to believe this though). Actually, learning it just to appreciate better higher-level languages might be a good idea.

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